There is really no difference in the basic doctrinal message and only a few details are really differentnothing that would affect anyones faith or salvation. ___________ claims that the authors of scripture were simply gifted men with remarkable insight who chose to write on religious matters. Is it? personnaly have seen evangelists using NIV Codex Sinaiticus based bibles and in front of my eyes not but 3 different times this verse fulfilled. A translator that believes can be biased by his believes. Dating to the mid-fourth century C.E., Codex Sinaiticus is the oldest complete manuscript of the New Testament. He is either Lord, liar, or lunatic. and unbelief is under Satan, who does not allow the truth and If this were true, the absence of resurrection in Mark would not be a problem because it appears in the older Matthean gospel. now thus they spoke to Christ. I went to a lecture give by Dr Cooper on this subject, and his evidence and the surprised response of the British Library staff at the youthful condition of the manuscripts, was very compelling. I mostly appreciate the articles but always find the comments helpful and sometimes entertaining. The King James Version of the Bible, ordered by James I of England (r. 1603-1625), and other translations from the era of the Protestant Reformation used this text. Set it in stone rag. Just more than a decade later in 393 A.D. a council of bishops, including St. Augustine of Hippo, affirmed the same canon of Scripture at the Synod of Hippo. God bless you all! there is evidence of textual tampering, attempts at artificially aging the manuscript, and alleged bookworm tracks that start in the middle of the page. Mark 1.41 MISTAKE. Kent P. Jackson (Provo, UT: BYU Religious Studies Center and Deseret Book, 2011), 61-74. 258 of the 267 uncials agree with the Majority Text, also known as the Received Text (Textus Receptus) which underlies our King James Bible. If anyone is interested, a good place to start is the work of Dr Cooper. Any Greek representation of the New Testament is not factual as to the true text. See Dr Bill Cooper PhD, ThD, The Forging of the Codex Sinaiticus and New Testament Fragments. Of course, the implications of this, if true, are monumental. -Thus proving anything Godly about Christianity is bogus.. He had claimed to be God equal with God, and they had tried on a number of occasions to stone HIm, just as Moses had said they should for a charge of blasphemyas long as two or three witnesses could testify. Verified answer. Actually Mark and other gospels is written after the death of Peter and Paul. Im new to this discussion. http://www.sinaiticus.net/, Sinaiticus authentic antiquity or modern? Jesus also told them that I and My Father are one John 10:30 (read the rest of the narrative). The KJV is actually a revision of an earlier translation; The Bishops Bible published in 1568. And remember this is a group of objective people, not just my own thoughts. If somebody takes one of those dollar coins, it still looks like a lot money and I almost have a million dollars. It would be understandable to me if the KJV (published in 1611) had been the first English translation. If I misquote the Prime minister of my country just by a little bit, publicly, and insist that my quote is what he said, even when it is pointed out that I got it wrong, will I be excused by the Chief Prosecutor for the Government? In the Lords prayer, it is well known for centuries in the church that Yours is the kingdom and power and glory were not in the original text. I just love it when people cannot think outside of their TV dinner box and read ONE thing and run with it, yet they never believe what the Bible says. If they were deliberately mis-copied by different groups in different locations to support certain theological doctrines, then one could expect differences between the two results, but it is simply not possible to explain how two faithful copies of an original text could end up so incompatible. The Masoretic Text and the Dead Sea Scrolls. Let us fear God and love Him and treat His word with more respect. If somebody knows the existence of side-by-side comparisons Id like to know about them. We have recently reviewed the biblical texts and corrected any apparent mistakes. Combine a one-year tablet and print subscription to BAR with membership in the BAS Library to start your journey into the ancient past today! But the very reason why the Jewish religious left (or right) charged Jesus with blaasphemy and wanted Hm dead was because thy understood perfectly that Jesus was stating that He was equal with God the God of Abraham, Isaac, Jacob, Moses, etc. Want to check this next time you are with friends, turn on a tape recorder, not tell others you have done so. Forgive my ignorance, please. Its as if phrases were added with reckless abandon. God has become a stigma in our society today, the lack of morality I think is a reflection of that stigma. Additionally. For example, the resurrection narrative at the end of Mark (16:920) is absent from the Codex Sinaiticus. I believe youll find that no one every spoke like Jesus, because Jesus was more than a man. These are the Codex Vaticanus, held at the Vatican, and the Codex Sinaiticus . Some of them like the Codex have missing pieces, but nothing here significantly alters the Christian gospel. Fact is you choose to suppress it, and by doing so you distance yourself from the Grace of GOD. Would appreciate knowing what is considered to be the oldest versions of the OT and NT. The argument made is that because they are believed to be physically the oldest, they must represent the fewest changes from the originals. If not, then the art critics interpretation is, From a Byzantine priority (Traditional Christian Church Textus Receptus reading) perspective, the Washingtonianus manuscript and the other early Alexandrian Uncials testify in favor of the early and consistent underlying text found within the Majority of Greek New Testament manuscripts. Further plausible (as a Greek translator of NT into a Somali dialect told me), Imagine the arrogance of Tischendorff. When you allow biased comments like this: https://books.google.com/books/about/In_the_Beginning.html?id=C8Nw_SN2zgYC&printsec=frontcover&source=kp_read_button#v=onepage&q&f=false. The photographs of the book's . I concur. Every true child of GOD knows it and cannot live without it. Constantine Tischendorf was a false teacher, like one of the ones Jesus Christ, the Son of God, the Messiah, warned about. Ive now forgotten where and cannot find it. The old proverbial Trojan Horse trick worked very well back in the old days. The devil you can see is not so much a problem as the devil which you cant see, but yet is very active. In his article Hero or Thief? And why would God hide the truth from his people for almost 2000 years before giving them the correct script of His Holy Word in the form of Codex Sinaiticus? The real question you must come to grips with is whether Jesus is God incarnate. no one can be certain about what God said in the first place. But rather how many manuscripts that predate Codex Sinaiticus contain the missing language if any? Here is Matthew 16:14. Post Aug 12, 2005 #1 2005-08-12T13:27. . And We sent Noah and Abraham, and established in their descendants prophecy and the Book: and some of them are rightly guided, but many are rebellious. And no less so today. Just wish the world would realize that all organized religions are made up by mankind. Although the vast majority of later Greek manuscripts contain Mark 16:9-20, the Gospel of Mark ends at verse 8 in two of the oldest and most respected manuscripts, the Codex Sinaiticus and Codex Vaticanus.As the oldest manuscripts are known to be the most accurate because there were fewer generations of copies from the original autographs (i.e., they are much closer in time to the originals . And again before the written word, the idea of memorizing what was said was not part of culture. It has been suggested that around 90% of the King James Version is from Tyndale's works. I believe GOD has preserved his word as he said he would . Conclusion. It dismays me, sincerely. One other omission in Codex Sinaiticus with theological implications is the reference to Jesus ascension in Luke 24:51. In textual criticism of the New Testament, the Alexandrian text-type is one of the main text types. 3) It contains approximately 27,000 corrections and . The story of John 7 is missing in the Codex S. But in other manuscripts it appears. The hurricane of Islamic conquest across the Middle East from the 7th century on was, of course, another major factor in destruction. ; it is a blessing there are such early ones. The Textus Receptus was compiled and edited by Erasmus in the 16th century. Kent says: For those who wish to expand their knowledge of Bible versions and what is missing, and more importantly why, I suggest you watch the attached Walter Veith videos on youtube as a starting point. Codex Sinaiticus is one of the most important books in the world. Everyones complaining yet the letter, sent from Juda to his apostles, in jerusalem warning of people corrupting the words of jesus clearly names jesus as a servant of god rather than the son of god if they were gods first companions why didnt they state so i mean jesus should have told them at from the beginning quite EXPLICITLY! Both sides agree that he so claimed. The King James Bible and the Restora-tion, ed. Bro. Who has made all the ends of the earth to rise? My goodness it appears that the Word of God inerrant, unchanging has many versions, and that these versions do not agree with each other. The textus receptus was essentially a slogan used by the distributors of the KJV after it was error corrected and reprinted on the printing press. 95% of all NT Manuscripts agree, yet modern scholars reject the testimony of the Received text underlying the KJV English translation in favor of something that was discarded asking us to believe that the True Words of God were lost for hundreds of years making God a liar in His Promise of Preservation. As for the resurrection in Mark or not in Mark versus Sinaiticus..I think there are endless debates over the Long Ending and the Short Ending of Mark, with scholars evenly divided in their views. It should be noted, for starters, that the four pages containing Mark 15:54b-Luke 1:56a were not produced by the same copyist who wrote the text on the surrounding pages. https://www.faraboveall.com/015_Textual/SPLIT%20TEXTS_JETS_current.pdf. I bless you in the Name of the Father, the SON and the HOLY Spirit. This article doesnt reflect that at all. the Father only.". Perhaps one that shows there is far more unity and consistency in early Christian theology than disunity and change, as this article suggests? The Codex Alexandrinus is certainly one of the oldest Bibles in history. Near enough is good enough. Text Type. Matthew 24:36: "But of that day and. The text of Codex Sinaiticus differs in numerous instances from that of the authorized version of the Bible in use during Tischendorfs time. The catholic church is a Roman institution of anti-Christ idolatry. Therefore reveal thy righteousness You forgot to mention 2 Corinthians 13:14, May the grace of the Lord Jesus Christ, and the love of God, and the fellowship of the Holy Spirit be with you all. I just checked a photo of the relevant page in the Sinaiticus, and its not there. i say that all things will be made clear when Jesus comes back pretty soon. King James wanted a Bible without "notes" so as to bias readers. He was able to view 43 sheets, which was a third of the sheets that were to be burned. They knew this. Who has bound the waters in His garments? Revelation in Scripture. We wont,we will always make asumptions based in what we have and might never been correct. The title says it all, and the constant attack on Gods Holy word to us by many. But regarding Mark, I would to point out another consideration. Ive known for a long time these differences existed, I just have never been able to figure out how these differences came to be. About James Arendt. There can be only one truth among multiple truth claims. These people were put to death holding on this witness, and what would they gain from it? Codex Sinaiticus includes the apocryphal books (Esdras, Tobit, Judith, I and IV Maccabees, Wisdom, Ecclesiasticus) plus two heretical writings, the Epistle of Barnabas and the Shepherd of Hermas. Access to 50+ curated Special Collections. There are hundreds of papyri (pages and fragments) much older, but incomplete. Required fields are marked *, COPYRIGHT 2023 BIBLICAL ARCHAEOLOGY SOCIETY 5614 Connecticut Ave NW #343, Washington DC 20015-2604. This is history. But understand that back then they probably did not quote scripture in that numerical manner: And they excused themselves, saying, This age of lawlessness Much like all of the centuries of deception by the Roman Catholic Church that have come to light in the recent years of the forgeries and lies to obtain power over the people. How is it that these ancient manuscripts lay forgotten (Siniaticus) or ignored (Vaticanus) for 1500 years or more? Mark 16:6 And he saith unto them, Be not affrighted: Ye seek Jesus of Nazareth, which was crucified: he is risen; he is not here: behold the place where they laid him. They play both sides sometimes it is original and sometimes not. Codex Vaticanus, Codex Sinaiticus, and Coptic translations. In my own experience, for over thirty years, when I have raised the question of what is the correct Greek text of the New Testament, regardless of audience, the usual response has been: What difference does it make? The purpose of this article is to answer that question, at least in part. (APPENDIX II, A COMPARISON BETWEEN SIX MAJOR BIBLE VERSIONS, VOLUME II, UNHOLY HANDS ON THE BIBLE. And our excuse.? I have a number of interesting old Bibles in my library. On July 6, 2009, the world's oldest Bible went digital. It appears in the Greek Codex Alexandrinus of the fifth century, the Latin Vulgate, and elsewhere. These texts are dated to the late 3rd-early 4th centuries. The entire journey is based on spirituality, faith and love in God. One King James Only advocate, David W. Daniels, who seeks to condemn all other Bibles except for the 1611 KJV Bible, has stated that the Codex Sinaiticus, Codex Alexandrinus and Codex Vaticanus rarely agree word-for-word and compares the words in the Lord's Prayer in the gospel of Luke as proof. The problem here is would you rather have translations from the 10th centurey or the 4th century (as they became available) which are more removed from Catholic theological bias. Codex Vaticanus and Codex Sinaiticus, because of their greater age. Ignorance is one thing and may be forgiven, but a careless approach or deliberate twisting is another. the truth and power of God]. McGrath, In the Beginning, 163-64. Therefore, ~130 pages were going to be burned. There are likely missing portions on the Codex because they added to the current texts in order to push their dogma and make it more palatable to those they wished to convert. if this is negative, then how is murder, rape, child abuse, greed classified? Two hundred years after Constantine Tischendorfs birth, questions remain as to the conditions of his removal of Codex Sinaiticus from St. Catherines Monastery. I was raised in the Hegewisch neighborhood of Chicago, Illinois, served in the USAF from 1970 to 1974, and became a full-time missionary for Christ living 40 years in Japan, 3.5 years in Russia, and a few months in other countries such as Finland, Poland, Estonia, Latvia, South Korea, Taiwan and mainland China where I also served the King of Kings, Jesus, as an Ambassador . Home Blog Debate Audio - James White vs. Chris Pinto: Is Codex Sinaiticus a Modern Forgery? Any organization that uses the KJV as a baseline English translation for textual criticism can safely be dismissed by anyone looking to take this topic seriously. Amen ! Denominations and denominationalism are two different things that are not based on the integrity of the New Testament record. Because of the delicate nature of the Codex Alexandrinus, it is rarely touched. Thats pretty much identical to the late, great Chuck Smiths (founder of the Calvary Chapel movement) opinion. What is His name, and what is His Sons name? 13 But I would not have you to be ignorant, brethren, concerning them which are asleep, that ye sorrow not, even as others which have no hope. But also the TaNaKh which gives the OT a different structure to consider, especially when you talk about prophets. in fact some say that the differences between the two are greater than their individual differences with Textus Receptus. As a whole picture this breadth of 5,800 manuscripts agree with the gospel account. I didnt want to put it with other translations on my bookshelves lest someone read it unawares and was led astray, but I did not feel comfortable destroying it so I hid it. Thanks to the Codex Sinaiticus Project, you can now see and read its raw animal-hide pages online. From the epistles we find the basic Christian beliefs: Christ is the Son of God and His resurrection etc. I followed mostly Buddhism and Hinduism among other philosophies, because I found them to be helpful and peaceful. What have you got to lose? My question about, neither the son is there Please respond if youre interested. Wilbur N. Pickering, Th.M Ph.D is qioted as saying However, he states: Most of the differences are due to the greater accuracy of the NW as a literal, conservative translation. While BeDuhn disagrees with certain renderings of the New World Translation, he says that this version emerges as the most accurate of the translations compared. He calls it a remarkably good translation. Codex Sinaiticus ( , ; Shelfmarks and references: London, Brit. Theres accountability to the record. i have an 1560 geneva bible and 1611 an an 1678 an 1769.. 1829..1841 and also use other revived text bibles. But of that day and hour knoweth no man, no, not the angels of heaven, neither the Son, but the Father only.. Also, like most early mss, Codex Sinaiticus omits John 7:53-8:11, not just 8:3-11. Textus Receptus vs. Codex Vaticanus & Sinaiticus. Thank you for pointing out these issues. The Codex is in the British Library, not the British Museum. PLUS, why is it when I read the KJV for six months I experience a power, unlike anything I have ever experienced. The KJV is a member of . this early version of the text, just as it would, perhaps, to the possibility that other does not allow what lies under the unclean spirits to understand Western. Byzantine texts tend to be longer. Constantine Tischendorf Turns Two Hundred in the September/October 2015 issue of Biblical Archaeology Review, Stanley E. Porter contends that Tischendorf should be considered a hero, not a thief. But it seems quite okay and acceptable if we put our own spin on Gods word. Modern scholarship generally holds that Mark is in fact the oldest of the Synoptic Gospels, which could cause theological concerns over the omitted resurrection. Just like in the 1800s , Europe saw an infiltration into the Seminaries and Colleges by Romes agents to weaken Protestant influence for the ensuing generations and swing them back to Rome (still going on today folks), so too the work of W&H in the late 1800s brought a major shift in the thinking about how scholars should or could go about their work of translation of Scripture. Digitization of the Codex has allowed people worldwide to view the manuscript for the first time in a first-hand manner. Honestly, using circular reasoning only proves the truthto those who are already converted. And Christ replied to them, Of the 267 uncials, only 9 agree with the Sinai and Vatican codices. Corrupt Path - The 'Minority Text' consists of only 5% of existing manuscripts. Through this codex, the R.V. I am still looking into this. And how about the epistle of Barnabas and the Shepherd of Hermas? In collaboration with Richard Bancroft, the Bishop of London, King James drew up a series of fifteen guidelines for . - David W. DanielsFor more info on my bo. The All-Access membership pass is the way to get to know the Bible through biblical archaeology. Harold. Robert Estienne 1550 Theodore Beza 1598 Elzevir 1624 Scrivener 1894 . Can these manuscripts be useful to Bible students today? The New King James Version uses the Tetragrammaton in the New Testament (written as +LORD [CAPS-smallcaps]) apparently it uses a Tetragrammaton source material, or it arbitrarily implies it while the KJV does not. Im aware of no historical evidence that anything was erased and replaced. Additionally, Mark 1:1 in the original hand omits reference to Jesus as the Son of God. Christians believe absolute truth does exist. Latin Witnesses of Revelation May Be More Accurate. We rember what we want, what seemed imoortant to us, but mostly just very general ideas. In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth. Nowhere does the OT say; He was with God in the beginning. Find out! The Apocripha/Deuterocanonicals is present in Sinaiticus. In it we are given this assurance: The green grass dries up, the blossom withers, but the word of our God endures forever. (Isaiah 40:8; 1 Peter 1:25) The version known as the Peshitta plays a humble but important role in the accurate transmission of the Bibles message to all of humanity The King James Version and New King James Version are based on the Textus Receptus. Please force yourself to reconsider, take time and rethink your position, and seek the TRUTH. Sinaiticus just happens to have them all together, along with other non-canonical works. Please give a link that is based on literature and that would show the inauthenticity of Codex Sinaiticus. The King James and Tischendorf? When the film was made the producers had to create the speach as no one remembered what brooks had said. There is growing forensic evidence that the Codex Sinaiticus is a 19th century forgery, sponsored by the Catholic Church, in order to undermine the Protestant Bible. (..) 27 When he prepared the heavens, I was there: when he set a compass upon the face of the depth (..) 30 Then I was by him, as one brought up with him: and I was daily his delight, rejoicing always before him; 31 Rejoicing in the habitable part of his earth; and my delights were with the sons of men. In the 19th century, almost all Bible translations had a spurious Trinitarian addition at 1 John 5:7. Subsequent scholarship has generally rejected the notion of a Neutral text but (still has Ed) sustained the rejection of the Syrian text. -( source http://www.revisedstandard.net/text/WNP/id_3.html) (Ed is my remark to clarify). Would the pressure they would have certainly applied to any revision process underway be made to uplift and promote the Bible OR to denounce and reduce the Bibles Power??? One needs to study the various Codices and again ask why have certain critical aspects like (1) Jesus Christ being part of the Godhead, or (2) that we are saved only through Jesus Christ and his blood atoning sacrifice for our sins, have been changed or completely left out? However, in it we see a number of omissions due to carelessness. This debate has been going on for centuries and likely there will always be disagreements as to which is closer to the original Greek autographs. You know perfectly well that the omission of these texts in no way theologically threatens any Biblical doctrine. Then We sent after them our apostles and We sent Jesus the son of Mary, and bestowed on him the Gospel; and We ordained in the hearts of those who followed him compassion and mercy; and monasticism, they invented it. Undoubtedly! I had looked at a photo of the end of 2 Cor 13 in the CS, and it ended with verse 13, and the English translation on that same web page showed it ending with what we know as verse 13. It originally" consisted in all probability of a complete copy of the "Septuagint and of the New Testament. I prefer to accept the word of God by faith, the same way we attain salvation. The following represent scribal corrections: * - original text of Codex . Are you afraid readers will get a conclusion contrary to your publishing bias? No one said they were quoteing Joe but passing on what they remembered. Hope this is helpful to prevent some misunderstandings. Pontius Pilate was governor of Judea at the time of Jesus Christs death. Nowhere does the OT say; He was with God in the beginning. The Textus Receptus is very similar to the Majority Text, but there are in fact hundreds of differences between the Majority Text and the Textus Receptus. If I have 999, 999 dollar coins, one may conclude that I am a millionaire, even I might. Natural Inspiration. I read it for the prose. That is in the Sinaiticus, but not in any manuscripts prior to the Council of Nicea. The Codex Sinaiticus Project is an international collaboration to reunite the entire manuscript in digital form and make it accessible to a global audience for the first time. The olympic hockey team that beat russia was given a talk by brooks in the locker room during the victory celebration. There is nothing when and how Mary Magdalena saw the Risen Christ, indicating, of course, it never happened. Each will find their own way. One said to the other of the Textus Receptus Think of that vile Textus Receptus leaning entirely on late MSS. At least to me this discussion thread is very interesting but I always skip the comments that bash another religion or denomination especially when they lack charity and sound scholarship. Stop using your cults limited understanding of morality, spirituality and limited understanding of the universe.as a template for how you should think believe. John has more differences than the other gospels because in Codex Sinaiticus, John 1:1-8:38 and parts of chapters 16 and 21 have early Western Christian writing ancestry. If Satan can place doubt about the word of God in mans head, he has the war half won It is by faith and faith alone we can be saved I have personally been transformed from a drunkard, dope head, and whoremonger, into a son of God by faith and our so called flawed KJV. Characteristic Features . Neither Codex Sinaiticus nor Vaticanus contains the versein fact, the earliest witness we have to the longer ending of the Our Father is a late fourth- or early fifth-century parchment called Codex . The whole thing was written cerca 1832. So no, the entire Codex Sinaiticus wasn't going to be burned. Westcott and Hort highly valued the Romish texts -Vaticanus and Sinaiticus, as well as the doctrines of Rome above Protestant doctrine though they were publicly involved in the Protestant church. It is absent in Codex Sinaiticus and Codex B (both early fourth-century), Codex D (fifth century), Codex Z (sixth century), Codex L (eighth century), . See the works of Dr.Ivan Panin on internet concerning this and other issues.. BAS seems to use the Codex when it suits the notion that Yeshua was not the Son of God. These discarded old manuscripts that were full of scribal errors and as result were never circulated by the church. That is the inevitable conclusion of King James Onlyism. God Bless you all with light to Truth. Codex Vaticanus, gathering dust in the Vatican library since the 1500s and Codex Sinaiticus, rescued from a trash can in St. Catherines monasteryused by Westcott and Hort to rewrite the KJV. of the Greek New Testament. Most people in Christendom have n. It and the Codex Sinaiticus are the two oldest uncial manuscripts. Pilate flatly told the Jewish leaders that he found NO FAULT in this man. Clearly, as promised, Jehovah God has preserved his Holy Word. Sinaiticus codex. Hopefully their path will lead to righteousness worthy of Almighty Gods approval. The Codex Sinaiticus is allegedly 800 year older that that, and has had no special preservative treatment or conditions in all that time, yet the parchment condition is fresh, supple and un-oxidised. Interpretation is of God also. Second, they use the Codex to show that several key parts of the New Testament showing the deity of Messiah are absent, and the Codex is more original. 3 For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine; but after their own lusts shall they heap to themselves teachers, having itching ears; 4 And they shall turn away their ears from the truth, and shall be turned unto fables. Beza consulted Codex Bezae and Codex Claromontanus, two manuscripts from the 5th century, to compile his Textus Receptus edition in the 16th century. God has stated in Deuteronomy, in Proverbs and in Revelation that anyone who adds to or subtracts from Gods word will be held accountable. -Thus proving anything Godly about Christianity is bogus. Many of the larger monasteries had a scriptorium in which the production of new manuscripts was constant. use . Where can we find proof of the existence of God? Excellent information. There are only 2 streams of Bible versions, the true text of the Textus Receptus (Majority Text) on which the King James Version is based, and those which picked up the Alexandrian manuscripts (Minority Text), the Codex Alexandrian, Codex Sinaiticus and Codex Vaticanus which have been shown to have deleted and changed many parts of the text and are unreliable to say the least and purposely . How about logic? Nothing could be more errant than to write Catholics hate the Bible. However, the two authoritative fourth-century Greek manuscriptsCodex Sinaiticus and Codex Vaticanusboth end with Mark 16:8.
