The gyrations you two use to get around what the text says is laughable. Noah added to those scrolls the account of the flood, he gave those updated scrolls to Shem who in turn passed them through unbroken lineage to Abraham from which reference is made in Jude :14-16, are not these also the warning messages Noah was delivering to pre-flood mankind if they did not repent? 9. 22:30. Many of these things were not meant to be taken at full literal face value. Reference:Insight on the Scriptures, Vol I. If you think those words of Christ are gyrations, what must you think of the rest of the Bible? And when their sons have slain one another, and they have seen the destruction of their beloved ones, bind them fast for seventy generations in the valleys of the earth, till the day of their judgement and of their consummation, till the judgement that is for ever and ever is consummated. While the original authors of the Pentateuch used distinct Hebrew terms to refer to Noahs ark (tieveh) and the box-shaped Ark of the Covenant (aron), the Hebrew Bibles Greek translators, who began their work in the third century B.C.E., used a single Greek word, kibotos, meaning an enclosed wooden container used to store valuables, to refer to both objects. 7. CHAPTER IX. Dont accept counterfeits. It would take four men as men are today to throw a stone as large as that. The length of the cubit varies through history, with the Roman cubit being nearly 4 feet long. The book of Enoch, Chapters 10-12, 54-82 are told by Noah, 105 describes his birth and Chapter 81 give a star references to about 12,500 years before Christ with Bootees ,Ursa major and minor as seasonal constellations. JCITWTL follow Him today. My advice ENJOY! 2023 BGEA Paul D. - - , ; , . And now instruct him that he may escape and his seed may be preserved for all the generations of the world. 4. Check out the story in Genesis. In his own words it is the most unbiblical biblical film ever made. There is a problem with the chronology of period when this temple was in use (9500-8000 B.C.E.) Shalom. Ancient biblical art depicts Noahs ark not as a boat, but rather as a simple wooden box on legs. 3 And now to you, the holy ones of heaven, the souls of men make their suit, saying, Bring our cause before the Most High.. 4. God's plan is always best. Moses met a god with no image and no name I am = Being. Did people start speaking different languages all at once, as described? him and said: Let us all swear an oath, and all bind ourselves by mutual imprecations not to abandon this plan but to do this thing. 5. What does making such a statement say about yourself & your attitude not only towards others but about the Bible itself? It rained for 40 days, and the ground was flooded for over a year. So why does ancient biblical art depict Noahs ark in this unusual way? The Flood was a real event. 8. The inventor of photocopying also had demon tell him how to create his machine that he called Xerox after his demon. So I agree with Jesus statement in Mark 12:25 and Matt. And whosoever shall be condemned and destroyed will from thenceforth be bound together with them to the end of all generations. Combine a one-year tablet and print subscription to BAR with membership in the BAS Library to start your journey into the ancient past today! Who are the rock giants in Noah the movie? In Genesis 6 sons of God is literally transliterated as sons of powers, it becomes a matter of who the powers are as to whether the reference is to earthly powers or the supreme powers in heaven. Gods with names and images would not evolve into nameless imageless deities. Exploring Genesis: The Bibles Ancient Traditions in Context, Lost Roman Army Camps Discovered in Jordan, Lavish New Kingdom Tomb Uncovered at Saqqara. document.getElementById( "ak_js_1" ).setAttribute( "value", ( new Date() ).getTime() ); document.getElementById( "ak_js_2" ).setAttribute( "value", ( new Date() ).getTime() ); 1 Billy Graham Parkway, Charlotte, NC 28201 when He brought a deluge. (2 Peter 2:4, 5), And the angels that did not keep their ORIGINAL POSITION but forsook their own PROPER DWELLING PLACE he has reserved with ETERNAL BONDS under dense darkness for the judgement of the great day. (Jude 6), . It wasnt until God poured out His wrath that they cared A god with out time, perfect, without blame for evil and death, rescuer, redeemer, with out human merit, because of His essence Divine Love. We may still have some of the writings of Enoch with us today, the first six chapters of Genesis, the book of beginnings. Or something other than a man to be looked up to and admired? This role is reversed in the non-canonical book, The Shepherd of Hermes. In chapter 51 the elm tree symbolizes the rich person that doesn.t produce fuit; the rich person has money, but is poor towards the Lord, since he is distracted by his wealth. It gos on to describe a type of symbiotic relationship between the elm and the vine (not unlike Gilgamesh and Enkidu) so that the vine entwines itself aroun the elm, enabling it to bear fruit, which it couldnt do lying on the ground. Oh, really now? God tells Noah to build an ark and fill it with every species on the earth. And now, behold, the souls of those who have died are crying and making their suit to the gates of heaven, and their lamentations have ascended: and cannot cease because of the lawless deeds which are wrought on the earth. 5 The waters continued to go down until the tenth month. I dont think that the author of the movie script was intending on conveying a truth exactly as recorded in the Bible. enkidu-early[1st golem made of clay by enki his helper],earliest giants were 300 kell[18 tall] ,3000-5000ft tall for what its worth animals of ark like fairytale states WERE NOT GATHERED 22 absolute logistical impossible enki taught Noah use clay vials collect blood 4 DNA just like he created us. He acceded to HEAVEN after 40 days. I am sure the Creator and our Lord were not impressed with it either. Its also apparent that the divine appellative Yahweh Elohim in Genesis chapter 2 denotes a Jehovist tradition that borrows from the mythology of other belief systems as well as the book of Exodus that originally used the generic designation of the native belief system of the Canaanite pantheon of El, the Father of Mankind; as in, they beheld Elohim, and they ate and drank (Exodus 24:11). Some scoff at the Bibles account of how human languages began and spread. Sign up to receive our email newsletter and never miss an update. [paragraph continues] What is the Significance of the Number 40 In the Bible? One author claims: The Tower of Babel myth is definitely one of the most absurd stories ever told. Even a Jewish rabbi called it a naive attempt to explain the origin of nations. Jeanne, read John 1:1, In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God.., this is speaking of Christ himself. It is my opinion that it is from these and other Horites (Kharu in Egyptian records) that the Hebrews received the Mesopotamian sources for the Genesis narrative, but changed them to suit their unique way of life, Mount Ararat is distinct from the Mesopotamian versions and its a reference to the kingdom Urartu which spoke Hurrian. Solicitation Disclosure Statement The Book of Enoch is a collection of texts, the earliest dating to the third century B.C.E., supposedly authored by the famous Enoch of the Bible, who lived in the seventh generation from Adam (Jude 14) and was taken by God: Enoch walked with God; then he was no more, because God took him (Genesis 5:24). Noah built the ark because He believed that God really would bring the Flood and We know that the wind and the rain came for 40 days and nights, but it is likely that Noah and his family, along with all of the animals preserved on board, were on the ark for up to a year in length. Factual is a debatable word in this context.. The generations so soon after creation, living in an ideal environment with long life spans, were no doubt intelligent and capable. Floodwater destroyed the wicked and all creatures that lived on the land except those in the ark. 6. A Greek inscription depicted on the chests open lid reads the ark of Noah the redeemer. More recently, excavations at the fifth-century synagogue of Huqoq in northern Israel revealed a similar mosaic carpet, also showing the ark not as a boat, but as a wooden chest with legs. God told Noah to build an ark. Noah was perhaps the most unlikely seaman. Genesis 6 makes no mention of rock giantsor fallen angelshelping Noah build the ark. REREAD MY LAST POST. I know you will probably take this as an affront to your post & I dont intend for it to sound insulting, but fantasies are a huge hinrance to the truth. In the current issue of BAR (Searching for the Original Bible' by Emanuel Tov) on pages 50-52 it cites the verse from Deuteronomy 32:8 based on the King James version: I am so excited to know more. The creation sequence is consistant with modern physics regarding the origin of the universe on the first day of creation. I simply choose to pick the Genesis accounts recorded in Bible as the clarification of pre-flood events & not the other way around. CHAPTER VII. As described in Genesis 5:13-21, the ark that God directed Noah to build (not to be confused with the ark of the covenant that God directed Moses to construct in Exodus 25:10-22, which has been discussed in several recent questions on this site) was a large boat in which God intended to save . Enochs father was Jared, whose name means go down and it was believed that it was during his generation when the watchers descended. Destroy all wrong from the face of the earth and let every evil work come to an end: and let the plant of righteousness and truth appear: and it shall prove a blessing; the works of righteousness and truth shall be planted in truth and joy for evermore. If we accept that the sons of Elohim are the sons of powers that be (temporal rulers), it could be that the legend of King Keret would fit the description as being the son of El. Like Helen of Troy theres allegedly a woman who inspires Keret to wage a military campain with apparently little regard for civilians against Udum the Great, which has been suggested as being Edom. The last time that happened was just after a 1000 year sea stagnation period then MWP1B and sea-level rose by 26.7 feet in 100 years and continued to rise at over a inch per years for several thousand years. to give in Chapter 81, star references to about 12,500 years before Christ: with Bootees ,Ursa major and minor as seasonal constellations. For Example quoting you: Genesis 6:2, are actually angels Noah, being commanded, goes forth from the ark. The movie provided me with more truth that it is all fairytales. Making them out to be hard done by and or the Saviors. Just as Christ did not give humans the capability of changing the composition of their DNA, then for what logical reason would he give angels the capacity to exchange the composition of their spirit body for that of human DNA? But Id like to talk about Genesis 6:4 There were giants in the earth in those days; and also after that, when the sons of God came in unto the daughters of men, and they bare children to them, the same became mighty men which were of old, men of renown. Please, tell me you do because if you do not I can only wonder what next off the wall commentary like #17 Steve will be forthcoming.. Noah said to the people, "Return from your evil ways and deeds." They did not change in those 120 years. It is interesting how the poet John Milton in the first chapter of Paradise Lost chose to name the fallen angels after the gods of Canaan and its environs. It seems likely, therefore, that early Jewish and Christians artists, working in the early first millennium C.E., were influenced by overly literal interpretations of the translated Hebrew Bible, which suggested to them that Noahs ark and the Ark of the Covenant were similar in appearance. covering Why wouldnt they show the giants as good guys, helping Gods chosen? I have made a series called Book of Enoch Warnings for the last Generation https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hGL0sfKNR5w&list=PLV7Wy_Z8JeGiJfWIQkXTyDVTaCdfnxAqx for people who are interested in getting more info about the Watchers, Nephilim, Rephaim Giants & Fallen Angels before Noahs flood. That ur-god would evolves into the many. God caused it in order to destroy the wicked people, but he had Noah build an ark to preserve the good people and the animals. And since when does God bless the evil acts of satan with men of renown? So, whats wrong with just sitting back and enjoying an action-packed, roller-coaster ride with Noah? Nice introduction to a topic which can be quite confusing a lot of different rabbit holes and a lot of strange interpretations that seem to stray farther and farther from the simple reading of the text and straightforward analysis of historical texts that reference the event described in Genesis 6. The gyrations you two use to get around what the text says is laughable.. descent? No sooner was this done than the rain began, and the springs erupted. Paul D. Good exegesis, Paul D., but this debate over Elohim with a small g (gods) and a large G (God) is becoming like that Saturday Night Live skit spoofing a commercial advertisement where two men are arguing over over a small can; Its shaving cream! Its whipped cream! Then Chevy Chase steps in and says, Its a shaving cream AND a whipped cream! Get to an online edition of Strongs Concordance & verify these things for yourself. When the floodwater receded, Noah and his family exited the ark. President Spencer W. Kimball explained that when Noah built the ark, "there was no evidence of rain and flood. In fact, God's instructions to Noah could have come only a few years before the flood. 5. Shall yield up all their virtue, all their fame ignobly, 1. The Book of Enoch states that the Watchers shared secret knowledge with their sons that led to the corruption of the world. Your email address will not be published. For no very good reason (probably). Why did Noah build the Ark in 40 days? However, while the Carter is basically a cylinder, the ark was rectangular, and most likely shaped for the largest volume. He knew nothing about sailing the high seas, and he certainly was at a loss as to how to build a boat. Outside the agents of chaos are searching for him, whose boss is a demon incarnate and who has a fetish for not allowing his supbordinates to have a conscience, or think about the workings of things. This is not unlike the Dead Sea Scrolls with the war of the sons of light against the sons of dakness, the latter under the direction of the demon Belial, which means lawlessness. And on the day of the great judgement he shall be cast into the fire. While we typically imagine Noah building a ship to carry his family and animals, ancient biblical art depicts the ark as a simple wooden box with legs, as in this well-preserved mosaic floor found at the site of Mopsuestia in Turkey. 1. And why do you promote it? Thank you Gene B. for that elaboration. Noah obeyed God's commands and built . 2. Standing stones seeming to represent gods are all over, the earliest without faces. When Enoch confronts the Watchers about their impending doom, they implore him to intercede on their behalf. In the movie they show a glimpse of the oyster bar where thats all you eat, giving it that turn of the century nostalgia. (Hebrew-fellers or those who make others fall) They were referred to as mighty ones, basically bullies who greatly increased the violence of that ancient world. Nothing but stories that have been passed down since humans drew on cave walls. devils tower Yellowstone is stump theyre all over world everything pre-genesis was HHUGE oxygen level planet during Pangea incredible ex; dragonfly size pegasus, God did not hold back from punishing the ANGELS THAT SINNED.delivered them to PITS OF DENSE DARKNESS, to be reserved for judgement,and did not hold back from punishing an ancient world. The Lord commanded Noah to build an ark in which his family and "every living thing of all flesh" ( Genesis 6:19) were saved from the Flood. Then said the Most High, the Holy and Great One spake, and sent Uriel to the son of Lamech, and said to him: 2. He wants to lift them up out of the turbulent waters and set them on higher ground. You continue to intimate that we arrive at greater truth by mixing mans mythology with the clearly stated words of Christ, eg: .. not until 1 Enoch 6 was written a few centuries before Christ were informed that this was the case.. With the premiere of the Hollywood movie, Noah sailing into movie theaters all across the country, crowds are packing the theaters to enjoy this action packed summer blockbuster. 6. In time two of these men went to Sodom to warn Lot of a coming destruction (Gen. 19:1 where they are called angels). And go, say to the Watchers of heaven, who have sent thee to intercede for them: You should intercede for men, and not men for you: 3. What gyrations? By keeping in conformity with the state-approved religion, people could climb up the social ladder, even if their brains were shaped like bricks and hardened in the oven. While the movie had my interest initially for its flood special effects and the like, the final 3rd of the movie completely ruined any entertainment value this fiction weakly based on reality may have had. God chose Noah as a messenger, instructing him to build the Ark as a sign to the people that the flood would come unless they changed their actions. 1. Build an ark of gopherwood, with rooms inside, three decks, and a door. Then possibly Noah & Moses added their parts to the Genesis saga which became known to the post Mesopotamian cultures prior to the construction of that infamous tower, hence begins the parallel writings of those cultures with the name of God (El) & our Biblical Old Testament Canon, the difference being that they introduced their embellishments which we today appropriately label mythology. It is thought that Genesis 6:1-4 was written in the 10th century B.C.E. Jehovah scattered them from there over all the surface of the earth, and they gradually left off building the city. And they have gone to the daughters of men upon the earth, and have slept with the women, and have defiled themselves, and revealed to them all kinds of sins. It is likely that the ark was much larger than these dimensions or the dimensions in the excellent exhibit at Ark Encounter. Recent x-rays of Ramses IIIs mummy reveal that he probably died immediately from his wound: The two become friends and embarked on an expedition for timber (which, according to Gene B.s comment #24 made Gigamesh a nephilim, or feller) and they kill the guardian of the cedar forest which brings a decree from the gods that Enkidu must die. Author of Miriamne the Magdala-The First Chapter in the Yeshua and Miri Novel Series and Content Creator for The Miriamne Page, For more information on this novel series, and The Miriamne Page, just click on this link: https://www.facebook.com/pages/Miriamne-the-Magdala-First-in-the-Series-of-the-Yeshua-Miri-Novels/206903979347028, the Watchers were not fallen until they made a conscious consensus decision to enter into the human evolutionary journey, as a delegation of Angels assigned to Earth as Watchers, they forsook their First Estate, and entered permanently into the stream of the human story, (genomic); by relinquishing their immortality, and status in Heaven (which they discovered was a consequence of their concensus disobedient action, so then they petitioned Enoch for intervention, mediation with God) the Watchers decision, was lead by Azazel, who was a doubter of Gods sovereingty over the Earths evolution, and who became attracted to the desired human experience the will (of disobedience), towards satiating a physical desire for this activity created the distortion of the outcomeas apposed to an immaculate desire that also produced its own results; (also genomic); much later in the human story. And now swim in joy, (erelong to swim at large) and laugh; This is an epic storyone that fascinates everyone. story Raphael Uriel cut huge trees make hiding 4 giants difficult, check images on trattoria trees over planet appear as plates/islands i.e. though ye were holy, spiritual, living the eternal life, you have defiled yourselves with the blood of women, and have begotten (children) with the blood of flesh, and, as the childrenof men, have lusted after flesh and blood as those also do who die and perish. God's timing is always correct. Permissions This alone is sufficient for lovers of Gods inspired Word to dismiss it Oh well. My advice ENJOY! Reading the story of Noahs ark today (Genesis 69), we naturally imagine that Noah, his family, and the loaded animals of all kinds survived the flood aboard a large wooden ship or other seaworthy vessel. This Apamean coin shows Noah and his wife in the ark, which is depicted as a box with an open lid floating on water, with the name Noah written in Greek. The Tassili-n-Ajjer of 12,000 B.C. Then the earth laid accusation against the lawless CHAPTER VIII. Lost Roman Army Camps Discovered in Jordan, Lavish New Kingdom Tomb Uncovered at Saqqara, https://www.kingjamesbibleonline.org/Genesis-Chapter-6/, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hGL0sfKNR5w&list=PLV7Wy_Z8JeGiJfWIQkXTyDVTaCdfnxAqx, http://www.biblicalarchaeology.org/daily/news/pharaohs-mummy-reveals-murder-palace-intrigue/, http://www.jw.org/en/publications/magazines/wp20130901/did-languages-come-from-the-tower-of-babel/, https://www.facebook.com/pages/Miriamne-the-Magdala-First-in-the-Series-of-the-Yeshua-Miri-Novels/206903979347028, http://www.andrewcollins.com/page/articles/Gobekli_Tepe_interview.htm. These were rare events, but God had given his angels the power to materialize as humans, a power that has evidently been taken away from the angels who sinned. In his article The Curious Case of NoahsBox? in the Summer 2021 issue of Biblical Archaeology Review, archaeologist Shelley Wachsmann looks at examples of ancient biblical art and examines how early translations of the Hebrew word for ark may have influenced, in surprising and unexpected ways, ancient depictions of Noahs fabled seaworthy construction. I got the title wrong in my last post. Page 729. I will give those cultures some credit for their fragmentary recording of the events of the Noah Flood, but their embellishments that differ from the Genesis accounts were a result of word to mouth reminiscence of events passed down for centuries before writing was invented. Why didnt God call those offspring giants? Not so fast! This is consistant with Gods explanation to Job about the building material used to construct the earth, when the morning stars sang together, and the sons of Elohim shouted for joy (Job 38:7). I think that Enoch writings are key source to understand what happened in the past, in that way we will be able to understand whats coming in the future because Jesus said that the last times will be like in the days of Noah, and according to Enoch and the book of Genesis, giants, nephilim, rephaim & fallen angels were on earth in those days, and will be again for the coming of the son of men. Udum is a gift of El, even a present of the Father of Man. Then Keret demands that the daughter of King Pabel be given to him, to which he responds; Return and say unto Keret: Alright, you may have her. 6. . Epic fail. It made the story very interesting; giving the viewer something to think about. Billy Graham.). But Gene, you continue to miss the most important issue concerning all this conjecture contained in the Noah movie. Sadly, regardless of theology or how it plays with source materials, either Biblical or extra-Biblical, turns out that its just a bad movie. Yes,yes, yes.just almost exactly what Ive been saying in all my posts on this subject.finally you have come to where Ive been concerning how the post-flood Mesopotamian culture learned about the contents of the first six chapters of Genesis. You are following mainstream answers. In Noah's day grace came in the shape of an Ark. One thing we do know is that pre-flood cultures had the writings of Enoch, so it is not like they had no Bible at all, they had the Book of Enoch & the ministry of Noah. In those 40 days, Noah was obedient to God's will and trusted that God would keep his word. We can be like Noah by obeying God in our wicked . I would have to agree with commentator Howard # 11, that the book of Enoch was an authoritative source for early Christians. It took 40 days and 40 nights to complete it. These are their chiefs of tens. Im Paul D. who wrote the post immediately above, please distinguish between me & the other Paul who posted in #s 1 & 2 above. THE HOLY BIBLE IS THE *WORD OF GOD* !! Or cursed? 1988, Yes Paul D., theres a vast reservoir of tradition on the subject from which a couple of references were streamlined in the book of Jude verse 6 and verses 14-15. Noah and his family entered the ark on the second month, tenth day of his 600th year (Genesis 7:4-11). Everything on land that needed to breath would die except for those on Noahs ark. The Animals Went in Two by Two, According to Babylonian Ark Tablet. The constellations are also used throughout the Bible to depict a story or certain event. When you fail to understand where the English word god came from, it is no wonder you get confused about the proper use of lower case versus upper case use of the letter g when referring to god powers in the Bible, and for that matter the case of proper anglicization for elohiym. ..Paul D. Paul D., its possible that the book of Enoch that you call phony may have relied on sources that date back to the 10th century B.C.E. You are correct, Paul D., but for the sake of the general reader, its safe to assume that the term sons of Elohim can refer to the sons of the singular God or the plural gods or if you prefer, powers. The same applies to Genesis 1:26 when Elohim said let us make man in our image. The singular God performs the work through the agency of the gods/powers since we know that the father of the Canaanite gods, El, was also the maker of mankind. I saw the movie. He builds an altar, and offers sacrifices, 21. which God accepts, and promises to curse the earth no more. The Animals Come to Noah When God finally gave Noah instructions to build the Ark, it was not at the beginning of the 120 year countdown. However, there is no clear instruction that Noah had to build the ark himself. Theyre called fallen angels and are based loosely on the Watchers we see in the Book of Enoch. That this instruction from the Lord to build the ark came when he was approximately 500 years old. Local: 704-401-2432 Paul says Hence, 2/10/600 means the tenth day of the second month in Noah's 600th year.

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